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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Dec 14, 2009 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

I love this 9 minutes of music, not just Phil but listen to how the band comes back in and builds up. A true transition jam. This is what I love about 72-73-74. Bridges are being built, crossed and then torn down from one place to another, not just a few minutes of noodling which would later become standard fare.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-02-24.sbd.elliot.11929.sbeok.shnf

When I hear someone say listen to the transition between "A" and "B" and then I go to it and hear a few stray lines, or Jerry just noodling and the band waiting to see what he's doing, it's sad. Most of the mid 80's to the end such.

I'm not a fan of 88-91 but I know a lot of folks love those years. Even there, I have listened to some interesting playing, but it's always in the tune not the transition.

Take 8-6-74 Playing>Scarlet>Playin or a 6-16-74 Eyes>Big River or 2-15-73 DS>Eyes>CD or 4-8-72 DS>Sug Mag>Caution and listen to how they build it up and tare it down. You can't possibly go back to hearing the later day shows the same way. Can you?

You can just go on and on all day with examples 5-26-72, 11-17-73 - might as well listen to 72-74 straight thru.

I remember an interview with Garcia syaing something to the idea of "We play a lot of songs and so do a lot of bands but it's what we play BETWEEN the songs that people come to hear"

AMEN to that Brother!!

Happy Holidays all!!!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

While there are a number of 80s shows that I enjoy on their own terms, I have to agree with you on this in a big way. Even in the second sets there are very few actual transtions taking place in between songs; usually the band either leaps straight from one tune to another, or the rest of the band backs off into a holding pattern while Jerry dicks around for a minute or two.

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Poster: turnphilup Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

Thank for the post and link. Always searching to get my philup, and this is the kinda jams I just love. Its what made them who they are. Why I come to this site. Still searching for the sound.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 14, 2009 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

Very well put Old Head.I feel the post hiatus band lost that sense of imagination and exploration,leading to a far less interesting version of the band.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Dec 14, 2009 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

You need to listen to '76 a little closer.

There are plenty of transition jams that are just stellar. It's a different kind of sound so it might be hard to listen to but 6/28 is just such a show.

I agree with the rest. No big jams in '77 but excellent playing.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 14, 2009 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

There are some seriously intense jams, transitions, and segues in 76.

I am certainly guilty of not giving its due in my playlists.

However, if I want a Help>Slip>Franklins that's where I go...

One of my favorites.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-06-14.sbd.orf.240.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 14, 2009 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

Hey, I just posted about that show!
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=280869

Agreed, it's a nice transition, and those years are stuffed with them. The months of Feb/March '73 alone have so many examples! I was discussing one from 3/31/73 in this thread - http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=280869
- where they throw a little Spanish Jam into the middle of an Other One, break out of the Space with another out-of-nowhere Feelin' Groovy, and head straight into Rider!

I agree with skuzzlebutt, that's the kind of stuff you don't find in the '80s too much [well, you did find Spanish Jams out of space] - that was more the decade for jamming WITHIN certain songs, but not so much between them, except in a few obvious cases like Scarlet or Estimated. And that was definitely the decade of jarring jumps between songs, instead of drawn-out transitions.
1979 is kind of the odd man out among the early Brent years because they're obviously keen in that year to draw out the jams in many shows, which sort of stops dead in 1980. But that's a whole nother discussion about how their type of jamming changed....

And deadmax is right on about '76, it's got so many unique transitions popping up....for instance, I've sung the praises of this second set many times, there's jams in-between everything -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-07-17.sbd.unknown.243.sbeok.shnf
The night before, 7/16, has some interesting examples too - or for another instance, 9/28/76 on the Dick's Pick.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 14, 2009 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

Ok 8-28-81 has some of my favorite transition jams but yea I agree for the most part the transition jams take a backseat to the in song jams from 74 or 76 on, and were more often than not the weak link the later you go. That said there is something to be said about the Dead always pushing it further in that I think that if at any one point they had stopped and said, hmmm maybe we should play like we did in xx year since it was our best, It would have been game over for them.

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 14, 2009 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Outstanding Phil and transition jam

Did Ice Cream ?

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